Save Me (Vintage DF)

This is an instrumental from 2007. Not sure if I just never finished it or if I wanted it to
stay an instrumental.

Still sounds pretty cool.

Save Me by Thaedeus


Z

More of a soundtrack track.
Not enuff changes to be an instermental really.
But a good soundtrack because of that fact.

To get some rise and fall in your music i would have you play all the way thru the track.
Most time you string together short parts. This keeps things a tad to tight., and you miss out on finding something cool by going ahead a playing the track out. And it would make your tunes more expressive.

I leanred from you about doing small part and adding them thru-out the track. I do this with leads alot..BUT, To base all parts and the whole tune on that lacks expression and realness. And you miss out on some cool thing you might stumble on by play the whole track thru.

Its a cool track..but very unexpressive because of it build. Be good for a soundtrack tho because of that fact..No right or wrongs in music.

Really would like to hear you play thru your tracks tho..And leave all the cool things that pop up by doing so.

Im the only one here, at this time, doing any NEW tunes. I find that boring. And i feel i should not post here, even tho i am.
Nobody is listening really...2 here, 2 or 3 on MIX, none on FB.....I wonder why music is no longer important...I see ALOT of posting on FB of music of the past..I could CARE LESS! i have heard that shit my whole life! And all these people make better music than what they post of the STARS from the past..Are the Star-Struck??? Lazy??? Or is it bcause people will listen to ACDC but not each others music??????????????

Every time i speak of this, everones like, "O all is cool".....IT IS???? well it is not...INDIE MUSIC IS DEAD FROM THE LACK OF ATTENTION WE GIVE IT! Who fault? OURS????????????????????????

So....Post some more ACDC on FB.... Let yourmusic fade away.

I MUST do smoething about this...What can i do by my self??? NOTHING!

Good words Bro.
Yeah this is from 2006 I think. I've grown a lot since then.
I consider it an unfinished track by today's standards.

I play through a lot more now, and build my changes differently.
Mostly in this one I like the tone and agree about the background / soundtrack style.

I was digging through old "trance-y" tracks when I found it.
Don't really remember recording it at all.

Just like you I've probably got 10 albums of unreleased material even though I've released a ton
of albums over the years.

Yeah, it's slow everywhere. Not sure how to fix that.
I'll get your albums up tonight or tomorrow.
Haven't been home too much with the kid constantly needing to be dropped off or picked up.

We need to reach the listeners all over the world that are hungry for new music.
That's all.
Not easy though.

And I don't think Indie Music is dead because of the lack of attention WE give it.
Not at all.
Indie Music is dead because people BUY INTO this Pop Rock Bullshit the record companies are selling them.
Music is just a popularity contest these days. People Just want music because their friends have it and it's
the COOL band this week (Not because the band is actually COOL, but because the Media says they are).
Listeners are SHEEP. We need to wake them up.

So I disagree on that point. We don't need to give our music more attention. The BUYERS do.
Our job is to make them aware WE EXIST.

Z

I think you both covered the positve and negative aspects of this track pretty well.

My thoughts...... It does have a good atmosphere which would make a good soundtrack but its too long unless you build on it.
It has no bass or percussion so it could be viewed as an ambient track although it is way too fast.
We discussed this some time ago and I realise that this is an old track so I would expect you would have made this track very different if you wanted it as an ambient track now.

It is cool and these type of tracks I would view as a sketch of something that could be used again later or to inspire something else rather than a finished track. I have quite a few sitting on my hard drive that will never see the light of day but some of my released tracks have come from the learning process.....so that's cool.

Thanks Peter.
Yeah, just a slice of the past.

Sometimes when I hear these I want to go back and add to them and make them complete,
but usually I just use them as a lesson.

Z

Regarding the current Indie scene:

Im the only one here, at this time, doing any NEW tunes. I find that boring. And i feel i should not post here, even tho i am .DACE

If you don't post here DACE that just slows things down even more. Myself and Z will always respond honestly to your music and hopefully that is a good enough reason to post here. As soon as I get back to making some new tracks I will post them here and I know that Z is busy on his book.Steve does what he can also.
I will be tied up for awhile as i have just got a new computer and I will be taking time to get all of my existing software running on it (Windows 7) Not even booted it up yet its still in the box.
Also I need to work on my online presence as I have just about faded away at the moment.

I don't think Indie Music is dead because of the lack of attention WE give it. Not at all.
Indie Music is dead because people BUY INTO this Pop Rock Bullshit the record companies are selling them.
Music is just a popularity contest these days. People Just want music because their friends have it and it's the COOL band this week (Not because the band is actually COOL, but because the Media says they are).
Listeners are SHEEP. We need to wake them up.
So I disagree on that point. We don't need to give our music more attention. The BUYERS do.
Our job is to make them aware WE EXIST......Z

I agree with this up to a point...........the listeners are out there........my stats tell me that lots of people are playing my tracks on places like Spotify and even You Tube......but they are NOT BUYING.

There is a big difference between listeners and BUYERS........and thats the difficult part.

How to convert listeners into buyers ???????? The current reccession is of course having a huge impact. We have all been affected by it.

I have never really gotten into the Social Networking side of music but the way I understand it is that it can work if you can find the right system.......its something that I need to look at more carefully and if I find anything useful I will post it here . I've tried MySpace in the past but I have sadly neglected it and I need to rebuild on it.

You all know my views on OMD sites and I rather think that Social Networking sites may not be much better.....but I would need to give them a fair chance to find out.
I did try Twitter when I was doing some Internet Marketing and I managed to get about 1300 followers quite easily so maybe that can be applied to music. Giving away a free track on there may help !!!!!

I MUST do something about this...What can i do by my self??? NOTHING!....DACE

Why do you think that you are on your own DACE ??? We are FOS and we should work as a community.....we discussed this a short time ago. OK we may not have an immediate answer but we all seem to be busy doing other things at this time. Doesn't mean we have discarded the idea or that we don't care because I'm sure that we all want the same thing.

Quite correct Peter. You hit the nail on the head.
Listening but not buying

Places like Facebook--I think Myspace is a waste of time personally--are taking off.
I've gotten more feedback and listeners there than anywhere else lately.

There are lots of reasons listeners don't change into buyers:

1. the economy
2. the idea that music is free on the internet
3. the idea that since they haven't heard of you it's alright to steal
4. the idea that the indie artists aren't putting the same effort into their music as "real artists"

Just to name a few.

And we ARE all in this together.
The problem is there is no easy solution.
How can we turn a whole generation that grew up sharing music iPod to iPod (with only one person
actually paying for it), into customers?


Z

So why are we doing this online stuff??

Anyway..i started a forum today for AFR and Indie music Info on this topic..MUSIC! Promotion, links, Resreach, ect....But is it a waist of time??? There seems to be everything against us doing anything with our music.

This forum im wanting to do is about OUR MUSIC, NOT US, friends, ect....About INFO on music promoting, gear, links on things that might get our music out there.
Ofcoures our music is the resone for it. And we can promo our works there. But i want to gather INFO on music sales, sites, ways we can do something with it.

DACE>

Good question Dace.

Most listeners don't hang out online where we do. (Here and OMDs).
But Social Media sites have millions of people. And most of them listen to music.
So I don't think that's a dead end.

I think we have to take multiple approaches.
People are less likely to buy music online (unless it's from their phone).
Which means we probably need to get everything on iTunes and promote the hell out of it.

I tried that before, and it didn't work, but now that we have a lot more material it's worth a shot.

What we really need is a way to make our music GO VIRAL. Somehow get a song onto a video that
gets a million hits. The stupidest shit often gets clicked on by EVERYONE.

So maybe we need to make a crazy ass video and use our music as a soundtrack. Then put
atomicforcerecords.com in the video, or the names of the bands and make sure all of them are
findable on iTunes.

I'll work on the iTunes angle....


Z

Firstly....this is a good discussion but in a way we are covering the same ground we were on about 2 weeks ago...........although thats OK because we never really came to a solid conclusion.

Get everything on I-Tunes and promote the hell out of it......yes thats what I'm doing with my best tracks but we still need to work out the best way to promote....that is the key factor....getting it on I-Tunes is no problem now that I have found out a FREE method

Please remember that I am not a part of AFR so whatever you decide will not help or improve my sales.....just thought I should mention that.

As far as working out promotion on I-Tunes you should read the free e-book on the Routenote site as it details how to do this properly. It also cover Social networking and Facebook methods too.

Here's the link:
http://routenote.com/blog/images/SelfPromotioneBook.pdf

And here is how to promote on I-Tunes :

http://routenote.com/blog/how-to-use-itunes-to-promote-your-music-and-grow-your-itunes-revenues/

The VIRAL video idea is good thinking but its so hit and miss it's really hard to make it work.

I have a video for one of my tracks "Time Tunnells" which now has 14,639 views. It has links to my site and how to buy but it doesn't really generate sales.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wk8wnohPLbY

Perhaps a better idea would be to create a series of instructional videos using some of your music. and put links in. They seem to be very popular. Probably working on the experimental angle rather than straight learning.People are always looking for new tricks they can use.
You could always end up making a follow up DVD for sale.

Then of course there is a good market for samples.......not as exciting as making music but it may generate cash.

Finally I will ask a question and give an answer.

the indie artists aren't putting the same effort into their music as "real artists".....Z quote

So whats the difference between an indie artist and a "real artist" ??

Nothing...........because a "real artist" is just an indie artist who just got lucky and has the backing of a record company. However that also means that unless you are either extremely talented or lucky enough to catch the publics favour (promotion again) then your time is probably very limited and your percentage very small.

No doubt about it......this is a tough business

Please remember that I am not a part of AFR so whatever you decide will not help or improve my sales.....just thought I should mention that.

Of course we'd love to put links to your albums on AFR.
But until we generate sales, I feel like it doesn't make much difference....

If you want ANYTHING linked to from AFR, just send me a pic, and a link and I can do it.
I think the pictures are something like 305x285.

As for Indie artists I agree. I was mostly talking about "how listeners perceive us"
Not how we actually are.

We are beating this horse from a lot of angles. That is true!

But maybe we will stumble on something that works....

Z

DACE wrote:http://atomicmusic.forumotion.com/index.htm

Oh! That looks cool!

I just uploaded Everything Is Now to RouteNote (but it will take weeks before it shows up on iTunes)

Which Fungus album do you want me to upload for you first?

Z

z wrote:

Please remember that I am not a part of AFR so whatever you decide will not help or improve my sales.....just thought I should mention that.

Of course we'd love to put links to your albums on AFR.
But until we generate sales, I feel like it doesn't make much difference....

If you want ANYTHING linked to from AFR, just send me a pic, and a link and I can do it.
I think the pictures are something like 305x285.

Z

Thanks for the offer Z. As you say until you can generate sales then it would not make any difference.

Maybe I will send you some links later but please bear in mind that I don't use Kunaki or sell physical CD's . I may try out Kunaki at some point later though.

Main thing is that we still work together through FOS

DACE wrote:http://atomicmusic.forumotion.com/index.htm

Looks good DACE...........very bright........now where are my sunglasses

globaltrancemission wrote:

z wrote:

Please remember that I am not a part of AFR so whatever you decide will not help or improve my sales.....just thought I should mention that.

Of course we'd love to put links to your albums on AFR.
But until we generate sales, I feel like it doesn't make much difference....

If you want ANYTHING linked to from AFR, just send me a pic, and a link and I can do it.
I think the pictures are something like 305x285.

Z

Thanks for the offer Z. As you say until you can generate sales then it would not make any difference.

Maybe I will send you some links later but please bear in mind that I don't use Kunaki or sell physical CD's . I may try out Kunaki at some point later though.

Main thing is that we still work together through FOS

That works for me.
For some reason I thought you were selling physical CDs (as well as digital downloads) -- just through CDbaby.

I did a promo audio thing last night. Just cross-faded clips from all the songs
on AFR -- Radio Active with voice announcing the band / album / and song.
Might also do a video for that, where the Album Covers just pop up as each clip plays.

I've been thinking it would be nice to do something like that for a while.
See what you think of it.
Maybe you could do something like it with one of your albums (perhaps with longer clips?)
Not sure it will be useful, but it was an idea....

I have set up Darkstarcruiser / Stargazer as a physical CD on CD Baby......but only because it was a provision to use a free voucher and save me the 35$ fee. My other two GT albums on CD Baby are download only. I have sold very few physical CD's and I can produce what I need very cheaply at home as I have a CD printer for the discs. I currently have about 100 blank CD's and cases ready to use for this purpose.

Then I found Routenote which is the ideal solution for me which is where the new GT album is set up.
I could still offer CD's through my own website if I wanted and take payments through Paypal.

I have also toyed with the idea of a video containing a mini mix of album tracks so I guess we must be thinking along the same lines. You Tube videos can now be up to 15 mins so that could work well with a 1 min clip per track.

I am currently waiting for some software to migrate my old computer programs into my new Windows 7 computer so I will be busy for awhile.

When thats done then rendering videos and graphics should be no problem:

Quad Core 2.9GHZ AMD processor plus 3gb RAM should work nicely I think.

My old box was a Pentium 4 with only 512mb RAM fitted and well overdue for renewal.

Should run more than enough VSTI's too when I decide to use them

Pentium 4? Ouch! That amount of ram must have been painful!
Glad you are updating. Good luck!

I only have one windoze machine which I don't even turn on unless I am uploading to Kunaki
(I use windows at work, but not at home)

Yeah, Macs are more expensive, but so is peace of mind.
(I've had 3 Macs for about 6 years with 0 viruses, and 0 data lost)

windows has been getting lots better, but I still worry about losing data because of viruses.

Z